Prince Caspian Spoilers

[Tim Bruening]

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Great moments: The Telemarines sending up fireworks to celebrate the
birth of Regent Miraz's son.

The Telemarines using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telemarines hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?

I admire the Telemarine forces' great organization (neat groups of
troops holding bayonets, lots of troops on horseback). They were much
better organized than the White Witch's army!

The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
restore the Mouse Leader's tail.

[Tim Bruening]

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Great moments: The Telemarines sending up fireworks to celebrate the
birth of Regent Miraz's son.
The Telemarines using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telemarines hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?

Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

[Tim Bruening]

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The movie features the conflict between the Telmarians occupying Narnia
and the native Narnians, led by Telmarian Prince Caspian.

Great moments: The Telmarians sending up fireworks to celebrate the
birth of Regent Miraz's son.

Miraz's goon squad filling Prince Caspian's empty bed with crossbow
bolts.

Great moments: Regent Miraz's troops chasing Prince Caspian all over the
countryside.

Talking Mouse: Choose your last words carefully.

Prince Caspian: You're a mouse!

Mouse: You people don't have much imagination.

Griffins carrying Caspian, Peter, Edmund, and others to Miraz' castle on
an airborne commando raid.

Edmund signaling with his flashlight.

The Mice infiltrating the castle and attacking the guards.

A Minotaur holding up the gate as Caspian's forces try to escape.

The Narnians showing Peter et al the Stone Table, now in a cave! How
did it get in a cave?

Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The duel between Peter and Miraz, ending with Miraz injured but Peter
and Caspian both refusing to finish him. However, a Telmarians officer
shoots Miraz with an arrow, killing him.

I admire the Telmarian forces' great organization (neat groups of
troops holding bayonets, lots of troops on horseback). They were much
better organized than the White Witch's army!

During the final battle, the Narnians collapsing some caverns to trap
some Telmarians in a pit.

The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?

The Telmarians using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telmarians hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?

Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

A downed Griffin plowing along the ground.

Aslan and Lucy awakening the trees, which then uproot themselves and
wade into battle.

The river god destroying a bridge.

The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
restore the Mouse Leader's tail.

Aslan opening up a door in a tree for Telmarians to walk through to
reach the island their ancestors came from, and for Peter, Susan,
Edmund, and Lucy to walk through to return to Earth.

Susan hugging and kissing King Caspian before leaving.

Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

[Mbruno]

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The Narnians showing Peter et al the Stone Table, now in a cave! How
did it get in a cave?

At some point after the Pevensie children left Narnia, a structure was
actually built over the former site of the stone table. It is called
"Aslan's How" (a synonym for "barrow" or "tumulus"), see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan%27s_How

Post by Tim Bruening
Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

Post by Tim Bruening
The duel between Peter and Miraz, ending with Miraz injured but Peter
and Caspian both refusing to finish him. However, a Telmarians officer
shoots Miraz with an arrow, killing him.
I admire the Telmarian forces' great organization (neat groups of
troops holding bayonets, lots of troops on horseback). They were much
better organized than the White Witch's army!
During the final battle, the Narnians collapsing some caverns to trap
some Telmarians in a pit.
The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
The Telmarians using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telmarians hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?
A downed Griffin plowing along the ground.
Aslan and Lucy awakening the trees, which then uproot themselves and
wade into battle.
The river god destroying a bridge.
The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
restore the Mouse Leader's tail.
Aslan opening up a door in a tree for Telmarians to walk through to
reach the island their ancestors came from, and for Peter, Susan,
Edmund, and Lucy to walk through to return to Earth.
Susan hugging and kissing King Caspian before leaving.
Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

[Tim Bruening]

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Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

[Derek Janssen]

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Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--
In fact, she didn't even *appear* in the book (the characters didn't
quite get that far before the fight broke out), and giving Tilda Swinton
some more Smug/Seductive Villain Trash-Talk in the script to get some
use out of her contractual cameo--and Edmund one more Redemptive Payback
Moment--was the particular brainstorm of...yyyyep, You Know Who:

Adamson had been given official "Rehabilitate the book" duties, and he
was determined to pilot that ship through the gales... -_-

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

[Tim Bruening]

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Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--

It sure looked to me like first Caspian, and then Peter were under some sort of
hypnotic spell! They looked absolutely enthralled by the White Witch!

[Derek Janssen]

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Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--

It sure looked to me like first Caspian, and then Peter were under some sort of
hypnotic spell! They looked absolutely enthralled by the White Witch!

Weakness in the face of Supreme Charisma:
Adamson Script Embellishment has Caspian experiencing a crisis of
confidence in his mission [fake!], wondering whether to give into
Nikabrik's whatever-works abandonment of morality [didn't happen!], and
also give into temptation just to acheive his short-range revenge goal
[he made that up!], which the WW, who's still got it, knows only too
well how to exploit. (And ditto for Peter, who's got his own Big
Leadership Crisis.)
Like she had once before with Edmund, who--just in case we
thump-head-McFly *didn't* get the point--also confirms with his Big
Applause Moment.

Was theme and character-development filler *that* desperately needed at
that point in the script?...Who's to say.
But AA was determined to provide it anyway, cover all possible bases,
and leave absolutely no risk to chance. The perils were too great.

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

[Tim Bruening]

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Some Hags and Ninibrik attempting to resurrect the White Witch. She
appears in a plane of ice and needs just a drop of a "Son of Adam's"
blood to become fully real. The Witch hypnotizes first Caspian and then
Peter. In the nick of time, Edmund sneaks up behind her and stabs her
(rather appropriate for Edmund to off her, considering the history
between them!). Why hadn't the Witch hypnotized anyone in the last
movie?

The Witch doesn't actually appear in the original Caspian chronicle.
If I remember it correctly, The book only says that Nikabrik, the Hag
and the Werewolf tried to convince Caspian, Dr. Cornelius and
Trufflehunter (the badger) to invoke the forces of evil to defeat
Miraz, while Peter, Edmund and Trumpkin were eavesdropping. A fight
then takes place and Nikabrik and his associates are slain, like in
the movie.

That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

Well, she doesn't in THIS movie, either--
In fact, she didn't even *appear* in the book (the characters didn't
quite get that far before the fight broke out), and giving Tilda Swinton
some more Smug/Seductive Villain Trash-Talk in the script to get some
use out of her contractual cameo--and Edmund one more Redemptive Payback

Imaginary dialogue: Edmund: This is for denying me Turkish Delight after I got my
siblings to within a few miles of you!

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

Post by Tim Bruening
That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
him to help things along.

Ted

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>

Post by Tim Bruening
That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
him to help things along.

Why didn't she hypnotize Peter during their duel at the end of the movie version of
LWW?

[~consul]

and thus Tim Bruening inscribed ...

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>

Post by Tim Bruening
That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
him to help things along.

Why didn't she hypnotize Peter during their duel at the end of the movie version of
LWW?

He had the full faith and shield of Aslan on him? The WW mojo couldn't break his faith. But in Prince Caspian, at that time in the movie, they are still very much in doubt and thus vulnerable.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>

Post by Tim Bruening
That doesn't answer my question of why, in the movie "The Lion, The Witch, and
the Wardrobe", the White Witch didn't hypnotize anyone.

You could argue that she hypnotized Edmund. Certainly the whole "I betray
my family for candy" thing works better if she's put some sort of hoodoo on
him to help things along.

I had the impression that the Turkish Delight was bewitched to warp Edmund's mind.

[Garondo Marondo]

Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

[laraine]

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

I guess these are Telmarine horses (originally
from earth). Narnian horses do talk in at least
one other book.

I had been worried about how they would
present the 'evil' dark-skinned Telmarines,
but I think it came off reasonably well. They
had Spanish(?)-sounding accents, and were
pretty good-looking with attractive costumes,
and the fact that Caspian was a Telmarine was
continually emphasized.

At the end, Miraz's wife (with baby) and one of Miraz's
lords have the courage return to earth (which I think
doesn't quite match the plot from the book).

C.



C.

[Derek Janssen]

Post by laraine

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

I guess these are Telmarine horses (originally
from earth). Narnian horses do talk in at least
one other book.
I had been worried about how they would
present the 'evil' dark-skinned Telmarines,
but I think it came off reasonably well. They
had Spanish(?)-sounding accents, and were
pretty good-looking with attractive costumes,
and the fact that Caspian was a Telmarine was
continually emphasized.

The "evil dark-skinned" characters were Calormenes, and didn't show up
until the later books--

Telmarines were simply descended from pirates, so it seemed logical to
make them from the Spanish Main.

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

[Garondo Marondo]

Post by laraine

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

I guess these are Telmarine horses (originally
from earth). Narnian horses do talk in at least
one other book.

Okay, thanks!

[Michael Urban]

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Even in the books, not all animals speak (Eustace and Jill are
sickened when they learn that the meat they are eating came from
a _talking_ stag). Whether there is any visible difference (other
than body language) between a speaking and nonspeaking animal is
not clear; Lewis seemed to indicate such in 'The Magician's Nephew',
which is something of a retconnish book anyway: as some animals
are given speech, their size changes a bit as well. This would
account for Reepicheep and his people being alarmingly large as
mice go.

[laraine]

Post by Michael Urban

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Even in the books, not all animals speak (Eustace and Jill are
sickened when they learn that the meat they are eating came from
a _talking_ stag).  

In the Caspian movie, a bear tries to attack Lucy,
and it is remarked that the animals have forgotten
how to talk.

Post by Michael Urban
Whether there is any visible difference (other
than body language) between a speaking and nonspeaking animal is
not clear; Lewis seemed to indicate such in 'The Magician's Nephew',
which is something of a retconnish book anyway: as some animals
are given speech, their size changes a bit as well.  This would
account for Reepicheep and his people being alarmingly large as
mice go.

Reminds one of Strawberry/Fledge in the Magician's
Nephew (who becomes a talking horse with wings)
too.

C.

[~consul]

and thus laraine inscribed ...

Post by laraine

Post by Michael Urban

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Even in the books, not all animals speak (Eustace and Jill are
sickened when they learn that the meat they are eating came from
a _talking_ stag).

In the Caspian movie, a bear tries to attack Lucy,
and it is remarked that the animals have forgotten
how to talk.

In the books, not all animals can talk, and they do eat meat. I don't expect that the Carnivores who talk are vegetarians. I could be wrong, but I don't recall that in the books. I do recall a no logging provisions in Narnia, I don't recall if there was no hunting as well. Probably they do. What a trade imbalance. :)

Talking animals, as I recall, were supposed to look different, like smaller animals were bigger, but really, it seems that they weren't that much physically different.

[Tim McDaniel]

Backlogged. Sorry.

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Post by laraine
I had been worried about how they would
present the 'evil' dark-skinned Telmarines,
but I think it came off reasonably well. They
had Spanish(?)-sounding accents,

During the movie, after hearing those accents, I suddenly thought

"Hello. My name is Caspian the Tenth. You killed my father.
Prepare to die."

[Derek Janssen]

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Except for "My NAME is..." Philip.

(And yes, they may possibly want to make "Horse & His Boy", as soon as
the Lucy and Susan actresses reach their twenties...)

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

[Garondo Marondo]

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Except for "My NAME is..." Philip.

Was that in the first film? It rings a bell. I only saw it once and
I've never read any of the books.

[Derek Janssen]

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Except for "My NAME is..." Philip.

Was that in the first film? It rings a bell. I only saw it once and
I've never read any of the books.

The LWW line was Shrek-ish enough to be an off-book Adamson creation--
But as we see the older King Edmund still riding Sir Philip, it serves a
good one-moment explanation of how Narnian horses still consider
themselves with as much of a job to do as the bipedal creatures.

Derek Janssen (and btw, which group is correct?: CS-Dash-Lewis, or Dot?)
***@verizon.net

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Except for "My NAME is..." Philip.

Was that in the first film? It rings a bell. I only saw it once and
I've never read any of the books.

The LWW line was Shrek-ish enough to be an off-book Adamson creation--
But as we see the older King Edmund still riding Sir Philip, it serves a
good one-moment explanation of how Narnian horses still consider
themselves with as much of a job to do as the bipedal creatures.
Derek Janssen (and btw, which group is correct?: CS-Dash-Lewis, or Dot?)

Both groups contain posts.

[Steve Morrison]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

Except for "My NAME is..." Philip.

Was that in the first film? It rings a bell. I only saw it once and
I've never read any of the books.

The LWW line was Shrek-ish enough to be an off-book Adamson creation--
But as we see the older King Edmund still riding Sir Philip, it serves a
good one-moment explanation of how Narnian horses still consider
themselves with as much of a job to do as the bipedal creatures.
Derek Janssen (and btw, which group is correct?: CS-Dash-Lewis, or Dot?)

Both groups contain posts.

Actually, the "dash" group is the correct one. The "dot" group was
evidently created by accident years ago, has no regulars at all, and
has no traffic except for spam and crossposts from the "dash" group.
See the FAQ entry at http://preview.tinyurl.com/6qwkjd

OTOH, the "dot" newsgroup just might be an appropriate place for
"posts" about the number of days since the last Narnia film...

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.



**
Captain Infinity

[Garondo Marondo]

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

[Garondo Marondo]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

What does money have to do with them not being readers?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

What does money have to do with them not being readers?

You can't buy books without money.

[Mr. Hole the Magnificent]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

What does money have to do with them not being readers?

You can't buy books without money.

They didn't want to buy books, having the money to buy them isn't the
issue.

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

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Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

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Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

What does money have to do with them not being readers?

You can't buy books without money.

They didn't want to buy books, having the money to buy them isn't the
issue.

Outside of a book, a dog is Man's best friend.
Inside of a book, is a lot of words.



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...and sometimes even pictures

[Derek Janssen]

Post by Captain Infinity
Outside of a book, a dog is Man's best friend.
Inside of a book, is a lot of words.

And inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

Derek Janssen (hey, sue me for quoting Groucho correctly)
***@verizon.net

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Captain Infinity
Outside of a book, a dog is Man's best friend.
Inside of a book, is a lot of words.

And inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
Derek Janssen (hey, sue me for quoting Groucho correctly)

Very good, you got the joke, have a pat on the head and a cookie.


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[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

Mr. Hole's family was so poor that they couldn't even pay attention. His
family was so poor that for Christmas he got dead batteries with a note
attached: "Toy Not Included". His family was so poor they had to squeeze a
penny so tight the bullet popped out of Lincoln's head. His family was so
poor they had to tape a Snausage to his head so the dog would play with
him. His family was so poor that when his mother sat around the house, she
sat AROUND THE HOUSE.

And so on. I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.



**
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[Mr. Hole the Magnificent]

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Garondo Marondo

Post by Captain Infinity
Once Upon A Time,

Post by Garondo Marondo
I've never read any of the books.

Philistine.

No one in my family read books when I was growing up, its a small
miracle that I ever got hooked on reading, but now I only like non
fiction.

You were that poor?

Mr. Hole's family was so poor that they couldn't even pay attention.  His
family was so poor that for Christmas he got dead batteries with a note
attached: "Toy Not Included".  His family was so poor they had to squeeze a
penny so tight the bullet popped out of Lincoln's head.  His family was so
poor they had to tape a Snausage to his head so the dog would play with
him.  His family was so poor that when his mother sat around the house, she
sat AROUND THE HOUSE.
And so on.  I'll be here all week.  Be sure to tip your waitress.

LOL!<------- Laughing Out Loud!



Crying on the inside.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Garondo Marondo
Can someone tell me why the horsies don't talk in the Narnia films?

A horse did talk in the movie version of "The Lion, The Witch, And The
Wardrobe".

Horsie: Ocean of equines.

[Michael Urban]

Post by Tim Bruening
Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

It's also the last line of the book. Not to be changed.

Though the adaptation was, um, very free at times, there were some
nice bits from the book kept intact. During Peter's duel, one of
his seconds is a bear who cannot help sucking his paw nervously in
the background. Right from the book, a lovely touch. The whole
dialogue between Aslan, Reepicheep, and his followers is pretty
much straight from the book as well.

[Garondo Marondo]

Post by Tim Bruening
Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

It's also the last line of the book.  Not to be changed.
Though the adaptation was, um, very free at times, there were some
nice bits from the book kept intact.  During Peter's duel, one of
his seconds is a bear who cannot help sucking his paw nervously in
the background.  Right from the book, a lovely touch.  The whole
dialogue between Aslan, Reepicheep, and his followers is pretty
much straight from the book as well.

That bear was great, too bad there wasn't some more of him, he was
voiced y the great British comic/actor David Walliams.


I enjoyed this film even more than the first one. Very good stuff,
although its BO already seems to have died up and I don't think its
going to come near what the first one made.

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Tim Bruening
Edmund: I left my new torch in Narnia!

It's also the last line of the book. Not to be changed.
Though the adaptation was, um, very free at times, there were some
nice bits from the book kept intact. During Peter's duel, one of
his seconds is a bear who cannot help sucking his paw nervously in
the background. Right from the book, a lovely touch. The whole
dialogue between Aslan, Reepicheep, and his followers is pretty
much straight from the book as well.

In the movie, Trumpkin says that the Telmarines arrived shortly after
the Penvensies left. When Aslan finaaly shows up, why don't Peter and
Edmund ask Aslan "Why did you remove us from Narnia just before the
Telmarines invaded?"?

[~consul]

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The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

Maybe they couldn't carry big enough rocks? The Telmarines, as you noted earlier, are a real fighting force. They make good stuff.

Post by Tim Bruening
A downed Griffin plowing along the ground.

I really liked the cgi for the Griffins. Very much more realistic than the say the hippogriff from Harry Potter.

I always chose griffins for my armies in Warlords.

Post by Tim Bruening
The leader of the Talking Mice noticing that he lacks a tail, Aslan
chiding the leader for his concern about his missing tail, and the other
Mice threatening to cut off their tails too! This persuaded Aslan to
restore the Mouse Leader's tail.

This had some judeo-christian theme to it, but for the life of me, I can't pin it down.

[Tim Bruening]

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The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

Maybe they couldn't carry big enough rocks? The Telmarines, as you noted earlier, are a real fighting force. They make good stuff.

The griffins were carrying dwarfs, so I am certain they could have carried rocks heavy enough to damage the catapults or kill the
Telmarines.

[~consul]

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The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

Maybe they couldn't carry big enough rocks? The Telmarines, as you noted earlier, are a real fighting force. They make good stuff.

The griffins were carrying dwarfs, so I am certain they could have carried rocks heavy enough to damage the catapults or kill the
Telmarines.

Not knowing the stone weight :) of a dwarf, maybe they could carry dwarfs easier than stones, maybe not. However, to kill Telmarines, I'd carry dwarfs with bows and arrows, because the dwarfs can aim, and are good for more than one shot.

[Tim Bruening]

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The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

Maybe they couldn't carry big enough rocks? The Telmarines, as you noted earlier, are a real fighting force. They make good stuff.

The griffins were carrying dwarfs, so I am certain they could have carried rocks heavy enough to damage the catapults or kill the
Telmarines.

Not knowing the stone weight :) of a dwarf, maybe they could carry dwarfs easier than stones, maybe not. However, to kill Telmarines, I'd carry dwarfs with bows and arrows, because the dwarfs can aim, and are good for more than one shot.
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But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

[Invid Fan]

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The Griffins carrying Dwarf archers. Why didn't Peter repeat his
Griffin rock dropping trick from the previous movie?
Why didn't Peter tell his griffins to drop rocks on the catapults?

Maybe they couldn't carry big enough rocks? The Telmarines, as you noted
earlier, are a real fighting force. They make good stuff.

The griffins were carrying dwarfs, so I am certain they could have
carried rocks heavy enough to damage the catapults or kill the
Telmarines.

Not knowing the stone weight :) of a dwarf, maybe they could carry dwarfs
easier than stones, maybe not. However, to kill Telmarines, I'd carry
dwarfs with bows and arrows, because the dwarfs can aim, and are good for
more than one shot.
--

But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

You kill the people firing the catapult.

[laraine]

On Jun 5, 6:37 pm, Tim Bruening <***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

C.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by laraine
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Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

[laraine]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine
 --

Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

Don't know, but I think it might be hard for a griffin to
carry something as large and solid as massive
boulders unless they were in a bag or tied on
somehow, and then you'd need someone on
board to manipulate all that too.

C.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by laraine

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine
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Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

Don't know, but I think it might be hard for a griffin to
carry something as large and solid as massive
boulders unless they were in a bag or tied on
somehow, and then you'd need someone on
board to manipulate all that too.

In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian".

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine
 --

Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

Don't know, but I think it might be hard for a griffin to
carry something as large and solid as massive
boulders unless they were in a bag or tied on
somehow, and then you'd need someone on
board to manipulate all that too.

In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

C.

[Derek Janssen]

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by Tim Bruening
In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

In the DVD commentary, Adamson mentions an unspoken idea that Peter was
using his knowledge of escaping the WWII bombing Blitz at the beginning
of the movie to help with the battle...

If that's just occurring to you now, well, it did fly over most of the
theater audiences' heads at the time, too.

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

[~consul]

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Post by Tim Bruening
In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them
on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

In the DVD commentary, Adamson mentions an unspoken idea that Peter was
using his knowledge of escaping the WWII bombing Blitz at the beginning
of the movie to help with the battle...
If that's just occurring to you now, well, it did fly over most of the
theater audiences' heads at the time, too.

What special knowledge? Hiding in the bunker?

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Derek Janssen

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by Tim Bruening
In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them
on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

In the DVD commentary, Adamson mentions an unspoken idea that Peter was
using his knowledge of escaping the WWII bombing Blitz at the beginning
of the movie to help with the battle...
If that's just occurring to you now, well, it did fly over most of the
theater audiences' heads at the time, too.

What special knowledge? Hiding in the bunker?
--

Peter saw German planes dropping bombs. Since he didn't have any bombs or airplanes available, he had to substitute rocks and griffins.

[~consul]

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In the DVD commentary, Adamson mentions an unspoken idea that Peter was
using his knowledge of escaping the WWII bombing Blitz at the beginning
of the movie to help with the battle...
If that's just occurring to you now, well, it did fly over most of the
theater audiences' heads at the time, too.

What special knowledge? Hiding in the bunker?

Peter saw German planes dropping bombs. Since he didn't have any bombs or airplanes available, he had to substitute rocks and griffins.

That's in dropping the bombs, not escaping the bombs. Derek mentions that he was inspired on escaping bombs.

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Tim Bruening
In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them
on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

In the DVD commentary, Adamson mentions an unspoken idea that Peter was
using his knowledge of escaping the WWII bombing Blitz at the beginning
of the movie to help with the battle...
If that's just occurring to you now, well, it did fly over most of the
theater audiences' heads at the time, too.

What special knowledge? Hiding in the bunker?
--

Peter saw German planes dropping bombs. Since he didn't have any bombs
or airplanes available, he had to substitute rocks and griffins (LWW),
or archers and griffins (Prince Caspian). For the next movie, I suggest
that the archers being carried by the griffins launch fire arrows or
fireworks.

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine
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Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

Don't know, but I think it might be hard for a griffin to
carry something as large and solid as massive
boulders unless they were in a bag or tied on
somehow, and then you'd need someone on
board to manipulate all that too.

In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

Wouldn't the griffins be at risk no matter what they are carrying?

Why not have some griffins carry archers and other griffins carry rocks?

Could a griffin carry a shield to protect it from arrows?

[laraine]

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by laraine
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Post by Tim Bruening
But how can arrows destroy a large catapult unless they are fire arrows (which I did not see in this movie)?

The awakening trees took care of the catapults...

I was asking why Peter didn't order the griffins to drop rocks on the catapults before the trees woke up.

Don't know, but I think it might be hard for a griffin to
carry something as large and solid as massive
boulders unless they were in a bag or tied on
somehow, and then you'd need someone on
board to manipulate all that too.

In the movie LWW, the griffins carried large rocks and dropped them on the White Witch's troops, so I wondered why
they didn't drop rocks in "Prince Caspian"

Do things ever happen the same way twice?
Just kidding--I'd need to see that part of LWW
again. I think this would place the griffins at
some risk.

Wouldn't the griffins be at risk no matter what they are carrying?
Why not have some griffins carry archers and other griffins carry rocks?

Or bags of medium-sized rocks with slings (with
someone on board)? Don't know if those would
be powerful enough.

Post by Tim Bruening
Could a griffin carry a shield to protect it from arrows?

Sounds possible, or maybe it could
wear armor.

C.

[Tim Bruening]

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The movie features the conflict between the Telmarians occupying Narnia
and the native Narnians, led by Telmarian Prince Caspian.

Great moment: Aslan and Lucy awakening the trees, which then uproot
themselves and
wade into battle.

Walking tree roots wrecking havoc in the pit.

A big rock, catapulted by one of the Telmarians' giant catapults,
knocking down a walking tree.

Walking tree roots destroying a catapult.

Aslan opening up a door in a tree for Telmarians to walk through to
reach the island their ancestors came from, and for Peter, Susan,
Edmund, and Lucy to walk through to return to Earth.

When the first two Telmarians walk through and disappear, the other
Telmarians fear that the first two have been killed. Why doesn't Aslan
rebut that fear by having those first two walk back through to Narnia
for a few minutes?

[Tim McDaniel]

Hmm, VERY old posting that I'm resurrecting. Sorry, but I just saw
the movie.

Post by Tim Bruening
The Telemarines using giant catapults to hurl large stones at Prince
Caspian's forces. Why didn't the Telemarines hurl fireworks at
Caspian's troops?

When you have magazine-fed full-automatic trebuchets with a rate of
fire that would have made any US Civil War artillery commander turn
puce with envy -- who the hell needs explosive shells?

Anyway, the first two rocks that hit seemed (from the column of dust
and loud noise) to have blown up. Good thing the Telmerines only had
contact-fused exploding rocks; if they'd had timed-fused exploding
rocks (or, worse, radar-fused exploding rocks, or radar-fused napalm
rocks, or radar-fused rock-air explosives) they could have
shrapnelled the Narnians to death.